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Friday, November 21, 2008

the artistic attempt

no matter how many people appreciate it or how many people go crazy singing songs in its praise but i neither am able to comprehend nor appreciate poetry which can't discipline itself technically. i find no fun reading it if the meters are not correct, the syllables aren't symmetric, and the rhythm do not follow. to sum it, abstracts do not make sense to me.

even while my under-graduate course, i was not a big fan of eliot, not that i scored any better in case of keats, my favorite. but i have always kind of wondered, sometimes with bitter criticality, what is it that one is inspired by when writing lines such as:-

my love
sexy white dove
your hair when wet
cling to my chest
like the sarong
do to your legs long

i absolutely hate attempts like above. not that i might not have attempted crap such as this when young.

i always like the verse written which the clarity of language such as that by kabir, not to mention greats works such as ramayan, mahabharata and paradise lost, all those follow the depth of language within the circumference of discipline.

Bura Jo Dekhan Main Chala, Bura Naa Milya Koye
Jo Munn Khoja Apnaa, To Mujhse Bura Naa Koye

~ kabir


ps. please don't go searching for writer of the lines above i called crap. they are mine :P



Blogger Still thinking said...

You know I used to think exactly like you before, like, why don't ppl write stuff easy enuf for us to u'stand else wtf is the use of writing? But poems are special, I believe prose conveys happiness and poems convey pain. True, some poets do make it even more complicated with their choice of vocab but still poems need to read without any expectations of understanding well but just feeling them.

Btw, wat exactly is Kabir saying there?

11/21/2008 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous burf said...

miss thinker - your comment elicits many reactions from within me. actually they were present earlier too, i just want to give you credit.


i read it a long back - agar kavi ki baat samaj aa jaye to wo kavi kahe ka


keats did that, infused pain in poetry and is appreciated as one of the greatest and remained within discipline


for that matter anything written for personal pleasure [pain] is ok even if jumbled because it addresses only you but when it becomes public, it warrants some decor


i am feeling amnesic

regarding kabir's couplet, i'll make it easier for you, interpretation is up to you:-

mein jab burai dundne nikla
muje koi burai nahi dikhai di
maine jab apne ander jhank kar dekha
muje bahut burai dikhai di

11/21/2008 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger ~ ॐ ~ said...

I personally feel that's a shallow or maybe an overly deep approach towards looking at what has been written..

While the things that you mentioned are important when someone writes something, but they become as important as you said, when you are giving them marks ! and I don't think there is a need to evaluate what you are reading the way you do, or lets say have mentioned here!

11/21/2008 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous burf said...

om - i second your thought of "no need to evaluate"

but then it is like someone goes and bangs anything on a guitar and expects others to understand/appreciate. [of course there would always be some people who would find it a piece of art]

what i am saying is like - you hand over a camera to a demented person and he clicks stuff. it wouldn't be art because there is no line or discipline of composition there. although it can still be appreciated under the banner of abstract.

another thing, it doesn't mean that [even if] by accident that demented guy can not create something that is beautiful and falls inside the discipline :D

11/21/2008 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger Pavi!!!! said...

I don't dig poetry..simply coz ive to think tooooo deep to u'stand it. I prefer n like simple stuff.

11/22/2008 01:36:00 AM  
Blogger ~ ॐ ~ said...

So when i give my camera to someone bro, its their baby... what kind of picture they make from it is completely upto them and I have no right to evaluate or give a rating unless I am asked to !

I hope you agree...

So the bottom line is, if you do not like something done/written/made by some, why bother unless you are expected to like/evaluate it !

mast reh!

11/22/2008 03:36:00 AM  
Blogger austere said...

Boss aapko jo likhneka hai, aap likho.
No jhanjhat.

11/22/2008 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

I've never understood arbit poetry, never been interested in reading that kinda stuff.. However Daffodils, by William Wordsworth still stands as a personal favorite.. :)

11/22/2008 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger Still thinking said...


I'm seriously noticing a pattern these days, i.e; your comments are definitely longer and even more comprehensible than your posts :D

Just a bit on point 3: Do you think personal blogs when read by public do need to warrant some kinda decor? You really can't tell ppl how they should write coz remember you have a choice or either reading it or ignoring it and when you really want to get involved and delve further you can always comment - now ain't that the best thing about blogs.

Why is Kabir so self deprecating?

11/23/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous burf said...

pavi - simple stuff like?

o meri jaanu
i just love u


om - bhai i guess we both are on different pages

what i mean is:-
if someone records a fart, i am not saying that no one can/should consider it a piece of art
even fart can appeal [to more] people if it is re-recorded within boundaries of sur aur taal

11/24/2008 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous burf said...

austere - done deal hai ji :D

samy - regarding the first part, me too

11/24/2008 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous burf said...

miss thinker - that is what is exactly incorrect notion:-

"personal blog", three foremost reasons why one is not:-

1. it is internet
2. it is on a shared server
3. who don't password protect it, solicit comments and know people will read it

and baba, i don't want to tell anyone anything and neither am i telling anyone through this post. going with your idea of "personal blog", i am just cribbing how the quality of thing called poetry [art] is depreciating because because of easy access.

and kabir is not self-depreciating, he is just saying that: before calling a girl ugly, check yourself out, you aren't good enough to even deserve her

11/24/2008 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Still thinking said...

A personal blog is purely personal coz the writer is the sole owner of its contents, even if it’s on the internet and using a shared server. The writer can pour whatever views they have and nobody can stop them from doing so, comme your personal space. Well, when people read it, it is entirely their choice to leave comments; the writer does not imply force but that does not mean that the blog ceases to be personal anymore. It turns out to become a medium where thoughts are shared and in some cases get a chance to view a complete different perspective of thinking. It is still as much personal as a newspaper is public.

Now if you’re talking in terms of poems, how can you generalize your point by saying that they are depreciating in quality? And how do easy accesses to it depreciate its quality? Do you think poets should write poems and keep their writings under their pillow? Don’t the poets want their poems to be shared, critiqued, appreciated and understood? I seriously don’t understand this point of yours. Maybe I’ll leave it at that and not argue.

As for Kabir, I didn’t know the reference was like this, thank you again for explaining. Now I u’stand well!

11/24/2008 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous burf said...

miss thinker - hmm

11/25/2008 04:36:00 PM  

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